They should be ashamed to call themselves democrats
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In blatant defiance of the Constitution's guarantees of Habeas Corpus and separation of powers, the Senate on Thursday approved the Graham Amendment to the Department of Defense Authorization Act by a vote of 49 to 42. Five Democrats joined all but 4 Republican Senators in giving the President unfettered power to hold prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, for the rest of their lives, with no criminal charges, and no right to challenge their confinement by Habeas Corpus....
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The Democrats who voted in favor of the Graham Amendment were Joseph Lieberman (Conn.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Ben Nelson (Neb), Mary L. Landrieu (La), and Ron Wyden (Or).
posted by Professor Pan at 4:45 PM
9 Comments:
Aren't prisoners of war detained until the END of the war?
So how many U.S. prisoners of war in the two World Wars, Korea, and Viet Nam received "due process and fair trials?"
The Geneva Convention applies only to UNIFORMED members of a country's armed forces. Iraqi insurgents are not uniformed members of any country. They are terrorists from several different countries.
To quote old gary, "So how many U.S. prisoners of war in the two World Wars, Korea, and Viet Nam received "due process and fair trials?"
So, old gary, you believe in 'do unto others as they have done unto you', eh? Well, we aren't fighting the folks we fought in two World Wars, Korea, and Viet Nam. This is different and the United States is suppossed to be the "good guys"! The US is suppossed to be better than our enemies. The US is suppossed to stand on higher moral ground and to set the example for the rest of the world to follow! BUT the United States isn't doing any of that! Bush and his mafia have turned the United States into a bully and a thug and you're just along for the ride!
Take off the rose colored glasses and look at the situation for what it really is... UGLY!
Willie B.
You two guys may be right, but I would bet that a large majority of the citizens of Iraq are secretly grateful for the U.S. and would laugh in your face for such fine distinctions. They remember the mass graves and Uday and Qusay.
I believe the current government of Iraq (cough, cough) is legitimate because they had an election, c'est ne pas?
Yeah, I am moist, from laughing at you two modern day Chamberlains.
The islamic fundamentalists are the nazi worshippers. Guess who were allies of Germany in WWII? Their contempt of women and freedom is against everything we believe in. It's not Bush's fault that they are striving to sustain a dying, nihilistic culture. But don't believe me, ask the Iraqis who have been given the opportunity to vote.
Hey old gary,
Thanks for taking us off topic here. We were discussing the treatment of prisoners. Can we stick to that topic please.
Same old strategy... when you can no longer defend your position, change the subject, call your opponents names and link them to Nazis. A debate is over once this happens.
So old gary, when are you getting that "L" tatoo on your giant forehead?
Willie B.
We are going to keep them locked up until they stop cutting people's heads off, until they stop bombing weddings, until they tolerate other religions in their countries, until they allow their women to drive cars, and until they switch to decaf.
old gary,
There's a no win situation here when it comes to the Iraqi prisoners. I can see it. Can you?
There's no question that they are prisoners of war and that they need to be detained. However, keeping these prisoners locked up and all of the while mentally & physically torturing and abusing them will not cure them of their fanatical hatred of the United States and her Allies. Upon release they will go right back to being insurgents and terrorists. What is the aim at Guantanamo? To hold prisoners and to keep them out of the fight, or to breed more fanatical terrorists?
The solution I see is this. Hold them, give them due process and fair trails, but DO NOT torture and abuse them. Will this keep them from becoming terrorists upon release? Doubtful. How do you deprogram the years of fanatical programing they have already undergone? I don't know that you can. I have no illusions here, but I do know that torture and abuse are wrong.
Willie B.
You show real class, real class, not
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